Pardon me? Who keeps public space from NYC public use?

Th Pic with the Whiteshirt beating the young person, is Def. FED. Alley crawler Police.

And calling me "mindless cattle" is informed! The scatological ref. I simply ignored.

Pamela-

The King Fish was apparently banned, as one of a neverending string of a reregs, of AmosNAndy I believe.

Pamela

And they are still free to use the park for their protests, they simply are not allowed to live and camp there.

It is the message that should have the focus not the atmosphere from which the message is promulgated

Pamela

Well said

And a Happy Thanksgiving to you as well

My local park has a big sign saying "NO CAMPING". I have no doubt that before I even got the rain fly on, Id be asked to leave.

I think US politicians (Democrat and Republican) could give you guys a run for your money.

We are hardly trying, our Dictatorship have only taken power 18 months ago, give the Bas***ds anther few months, and they will outdo both your Houses.

OK, national pride is at state, and the race is on!

If only we still had Teddy Kennedy and Robert Byrd to carry the banner!

John Gaines

I think I would call it a liberal's idea of a successful half-way house.

It has taken people who have experienced significant problems and put them to useful work.

;-)

Iraqi Lady looking for US husband...it could be YOU!

1. Letter of an Iraqi woman to Americans

   Letter Of An Iraqi Woman To Americans.

   Letter of an Iraqi woman to Americans
   Is there anything in Iraq that the Americans have not destroyed ?
   Anything at all ?
   And you dare wonder why I detest you so much...And you have the audacity to
   come to my blog to question me about my origins, my location, my ideas, my
   roots, my sense of belonging...
   What kind of a race are you ? What kind of a people are you ?
   Yes, I said people not government. I am not politically correct. Your
   government is part of you and you are part of it. Like it or not.
   And don't come and tell me in your sheepish ways that I know all too well :
   " Oh, but I did not vote for this one. "
   I don't give a **** whom you voted for or did not vote for. It is not my
   problem.
   My problem is you. Your culture, your behavior, your mentality, your
   character, your haughtiness, your arrogance, your false pride, your denial,
   your collective stupidity and ignorance, your way of life which I find
   boring, empty and distasteful, your accent which is an affront to my
   ears...and to my senses.
   I do not like you. Full stop.

   I know, I know, some of you are good people...
   I know, I know, America is not a homogenous group... I know all that @!$%#.
   It does not make one iota of difference in my life and that of other Iraqis.
   I no longer give a damn about your nuances, your political leanings, how
   good or how bad you are...It is meaningless to me and to countless others.
   Our lives have been ruined, totally ruined...We do not give a **** about
   your nuances.
   And all I know is that you have destroyed my country. Beyond repair.

   The past - you have looted and destroyed. Trying to erase our collective
   historical memory...Our roots, where we came from, what our ancestors did,
   their achievements, their trials, their statues, their writings...

   You do not know history, you are rejects of history. You have no history.
   You have no past, you have nothing...you are nothing.
   You are nothing but ogres of consumerism. Not just material stuff, but
   anything you can swallow whole you will. You even swallow other people's
   history whole.
   You are a greedy, covetous, gluttonous, voracious, jealous, envious
   people...
   Since you are nothing, your nihilism contaminates everything else...
   You destroy and self destruct...

   No Future - You have no future, because inside of yourselves, your future is
   limited to your own little egos. Little egos have no future. Little egos are
   amoebas, parasites, feeding off others...You think you have a vision but
   your vision is only about your stomach, your pockets and what you have in
   between your legs...That is it.
   This is where it stops. Surely this does not make you seers...
   What have you contributed to the world ? Anything of real substance?
   Nothing. Apart from brutal might and power... and your sickening culture
   that is as hollow and as empty as you are.

   And just as you have no real future, you robbed us of our own. You are
   collectively a bunch of criminals, thieves, thugs and perverts of the worst
   kind.

   Since your ****ing 9/11, you have totally destroyed two countries.
   Afghanistan and Iraq.
   And you have not stopped. Not one day, not one hour...

   You wanted regime change in Iraq - you got it.
   You also changed us, me, beyond anything I can recognize...I never hated you
   before. Today I do. I really hate you.

   You collectively disgust me. Even our ancient Mesopotamian deities and
   spirits are disgusted with you. Every single letter of the Alphabet is
   disgusted with you.
   The earth, the rivers, the sky, the mountains, the trees, the birds of Iraq
   are disgusted with you...The cosmos is disgusted with you ...

   Everytime I spot one of you anywhere in close proximity and hear that ugly
   accent of yours I run away...I avoid you like the plague. I can't bear to
   hear you or see you.
   You represent nothing but Death and Destruction to me.
   Your ugliness is all pervading...
   Everytime I switch on the TV or the Radio and see or hear one of you, I zap.
   I wish I can zap you out of my life once and for all...

   I know, I keep repeating myself, but then you keep repeating the same acts.

   Iraq is going down, with its past and its future...

   I can only promise you one thing, however long it may take, we are going to
   take you down with us.

   Picture :A Sumerian Cuneiform that you have looted and destroyed

   • • Meet you in St LOUIS...

Give credit where it is due, otherwise someone might accuse you of plagarism for failing to link to the original.

You meaning me by the way? Doubtful. She lives in Syria last I heard, oh and I'm already married.

Happy to,

it passed to my e-mail from a colleague in the office...I do not seek 'credit' for posting anything, even my own originals, we are in a War to the death, nothing wrong with using the GOP/TP Demented ammunition, to fire back at them.

All principles are in abeyance, or, as Dr? Rice says, 'we do what is necessary' until we win, which is inevitable, when we match the quality of the OWS, with the Bankster and politco sh*t who oppose us.

And, you can have 4 Wives of any age, being married is no excuse. Make her an offer she can't refuse. All the rest of them do.

She has some very good points and I agree with many of them. You may wonder why, you may accuse me of being unAmerican....well, here is another wake up call...I am Native American and we've been saying these very same things for over 500 years and no one was listening, no one cared. Now it is all coming full circle, as the Native prophecies depicted. On another note, the things that were done to all Native Americans is still going on but you don't see it, you don't hear about it. Why? It's your news media that constantly spins the truth, covers up the lies and feeds the public with the very poison that continually corrupts this country of yours. Everything that is wrong in this country is totally your fault. If it fails, which it is on its way of doing, it deserves to fail. It is called Karma. In all of your history books you have shown to us that all of those places you've all come from have failed. You've become worse than those you fled from and destroyed our nation in the process. Do we support you, well, we've fought in all of your wars, on both sides, you've taken our language to use for secret codes, you've taken our names and mocked them, you've taken our people and tried to turn them into mascots, you act as though we don't exist. We understand your constitution very well and it applies only to those who will steal another ones property and call it their own. You justify such things in your courts of law with a total disrespect for others. We wrote your Declaration of Independence and that too was stolen from us. You all say "We the People"...that is not you, it is us. All of you should stop saying that. Your America is gone and has been for a long time...what you are is really indescribable and what you are becoming is anyone's guess. We never made war on any of your country's but you brought all of yours here and still you fight these wars...what have they accomplished other than adding numbers to everyone's cemeteries? Power does not mean how big or strong or technical a military is....power is compassion, reason, justice, equality, honor, respect and several other such things but your nation does not have these things...if it did then it would not have all these problems, here in what you call your home or anywhere else in the world. I would offer you words of peace...but your nation does not understand this concept.

Hemaca Nagi Sumanitu Taka Un Ki Wazhazhe - Ani Yun Wiya Lakota

I am Native American and we've been saying these very same things for over 500 years

Wow, you are old. But you'd think after 500 years you'd come up with something different to say.

@ badchess... such a comment is uncalled for but typical - the result of an indoctrinated educational process that supports cultural genocide. In fact, it edges a racist attitude. What words would you suggest that we use since you've never heard the ones we've spoken. The reason we repeat them is because you don't listen. You would think after 500 years this nation you are a part of would be in better shape than it is also. You believe in the law? Do you believe in your Constitution? Then be a good little American and live up to it.

Oh, I do.

I will fight for your right to say whatever you care to say, no matter how jejune/racist/bigoted/trite/wise/ignorant/unwise/evil/goofy/sage I find it.

Heck, you want to make a football mascot of "Geeky white chess nerd" I fully support your right to do so.

For a suitable fee I'll even model for you.

Seriously though Mr. Gains, that letter was delightedly amusing.

I especially like someone apparently writing on a blog about "What have you contributed to the world?"

Dudette, thank the US Defense department for your ability to write a blog!

Keep you're Tomahawk sharp Chief. It is coming, smell the Freedom.

So I see John, that you belong to the racist bigoted portion of your nation that has attributed to its downfall. Very sad. It is people like you and badchess that have been part of the machinery of educating your youth and your people with false histories and continue to ignore the fact that you don't own as much of this country as you think you do. FYI I have many friends from numerous nations that came here for what you call 'freedom' and they went back home because what they experienced was less freedom than in their own countries. This illusion of freedom you live by is seen by many around the world. In addition, they have asked me what is wrong with the American people here, why aren't they fighting or in a revolution, can't they see what is going on right in front of their own faces? Obviously not, especially when people like the two of you make such comments. Did you know that such comments would have you facing a judge if they were made in public or to my face? But since you can hide behind the cloak of the internet you can say whatever you wish. Expressing such ignorance and stupidity does very little to impress anyone and certainly doesn't help the ideal of what it is, or what it's supposed to be to be an American, which by the way is not a breed, it is an ideal and one that is failing very quickly. At least my people have an identity based in reality. Something neither of you understand. Enjoy living in your reality...if that's what you want to call it. Time to take the Blue Pill.

Acutally I have never taught a history class, and your assumption I have is quite bigoted.

But I fully support your right to be a bigot.

Did you know that such comments would have you facing a judge if they were made in public or to my face?

I presume you are not in the United States, as we have this cool think called the 1st amendment. But if you ever visit the USA look me up (Puyallup, WA, USA) and I'll say whatever you care to hear to your face.

Ain't freedom great?

You did not read what I wrote correctly. Nothing new there. Your presumption is totally off base, however, you are correct in the actual fact that I do not live in the United States, the United States exists in my country...this is and always has been the land of the Native People - what you call Indians...another lie found in your history along with that butcher Columbus. If there is anyone here who is a bigot it is you...re-read what you've written.

Being a Native American, another one of your peoples stereotypes, I find people like you disgusting in the sense that you believe you have more rights than anyone else. Your 1st Amendment is just as worthless as all the other articles in your Constitution because your government has violated every one of them, thus, it has no value other than citing political differences as to what it means, what your forefathers intended for it to mean, etc.

By the way, the place you live in Washington belongs to the Tribes, by your law and by treaty and therefore, you don't live in the United States. You're actually not that far away from me and please don't lower yourself any further by making more stupid comments about what you would say to my face...if you met me face to face it is a sure thing you would hold your tongue. Aside from this, you do nothing to actively participate in fixing anything your country has done and continues to do. The next time you pay taxes on your income remember that because I know that you don't know where your money is actually going. I know, you're going to tell me and I'll bet you think they go for operating this country of yours. Not. Not even close. But you keep believing that.

Yes, freedom is great...it's too bad you don't know what it is in order to be able to enjoy it.

Did you know that such comments would have you facing a judge if they were made in public or to my face?

Actually, I suppose if you are (or consider yourself) a judge then if I said anything while turned toward you then I would, technically, be facing a judge.

On the other hand, I'm sitting facing, ummm, let's see, approximately 118º (at a rough guess), so, if we ignore the curvature of the earth we could extend a line, and conceivably somewhere on that line I might be facing a judge.

But should the parameters of the line be parallel (say two parallel lines two feet apart to define where I am "facing") or should the lines gradually spread apart and continue to circle the globe, so eventually I am facing all the judges of the world.

Wolf-Runner

this is and always has been the land of the Native People

Right by conquest. Let me ask, is that a right Native American peoples knew of and recognized?

Before you answer would you care to first check out the Great Law of Peace / Iroquois Constitution as it is commonly referred to and specifically the portions that translates as this:

If a nation, part of a nation, or more than one nation
within the Five Nations should in any way endeavor to destroy
the Great Peace by neglect or violating its laws and resolve to
dissolve the Confederacy, such a nation or such nations shall
be deemed guilty of treason and called enemies of the
Confederacy and the Great Peace.
     It shall then be the duty of the Lords of the Confederacy
who remain faithful to resolve to warn the offending people.
They shall be warned once and if a second warning is necessary
they shall be driven from the territory of the Confederacy by
the War Chiefs and his men.     

which is really more like secession, more explicitly as it pertains to non-Five Nation peoples:

When the Confederate Council of the Five Nations has for
its object the establishment of the Great Peace among the
people of an outside nation and that nation refuses to accept
the Great Peace, then by such refusal they bring a declaration
of war upon themselves from the Five Nations.  Then shall the
Five Nations seek to establish the Great Peace by a conquest
of the rebellious nation.

When they decide an outside nation should become part of their nation they shall make them an offer they can't refuse, because if they do refuse it twice they shall make war against them and if they win:

When peace shall have been established by the termination
of the war against a foreign nation, then the War Chief shall
cause all the weapons of war to be taken from the nation.

disarm them. But if they refuse to capitulate, if they refuse to submit to the obvious victor and instead wish to continue fighting what then:

Whenever a war against a foreign nation is pushed until
that nation is about exterminated because of its refusal to
accept the Great Peace and if that nation shall by its obstinacy
become exterminated, all their rights, property and territory
shall become the property of the Five Nations.

Exterminate them, take all their possessions and land.

But of course that must not happen often, so what about if peace had happened. Obviously they are now equals once accepting the Great peace:

Whenever a foreign nation is conquered and the survivors
are brought into the territory of the Five Nations' Confederacy
and placed under the Great Peace the two shall be known as the
Conqueror and the Conquered.  A symbolic relationship shall be
devised and be placed in some symbolic position.  The conquered
nation shall have no voice in the councils of the Confederacy
in the body of the Lords.

Whoops, my bad. Seems they will be second class citizens.

I have to thank ganienkeh.net for giving such excellent commentary on The Great Law. including such hypocritical statements as in Wampum #72 "The so-called "conquest of America" is simply a bare-faced robbery of Indian land." But recognizing still the right by conquest and genocide in Wampum #85.

So, repeating my question, did at least some Native American peoples recognize a right of conquest as a legitimate action?

Let me guess, its different now. Probably because sometime between 100-400 years ago they lost.

@Jake-413451...

Interesting piece of your history.

I've read this and discussed it at length on several occasions with members of the Department of Interior (DOI), Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA), Bureau of Land Management (BLM), Department of Energy (DOE), Department of Justice (DOJ), the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), various Tribal Chief's and Tribal Council leaders and council members along with numerous and various tribal members throughout the United States, including Alaska, and several members of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, state governors and legislators. In addition I have also done endless lectures and presentations on this issue at universities across the country. My point in relating the above information as to my experience with this issue is that it does not stand alone as a single point when referencing 'so-called' legalities between the Native People of this country and the invaders (Euro-Mediterraneans). I could include the findings with the United Nations as to their findings in regards to Indigenous Peoples and treaties signed between two nation, whether here or in any other nation (country) as well as the recent findings and judgement made by the Geneva Convention as of a few years ago, however, these documents and their content would prove to be too lengthy for posting here. If you wish to know what they contained then you can do an in depth search...just put on a fresh pot of coffee, get comfortable and learn.

I am re-posting, in part, what you've posted above...with editorial inserts along the way.

If a nation, part of a nation, or more than one nation
within the Five Nations should in any way endeavor to destroy
the Great Peace by neglect or violating its laws and resolve to
dissolve the Confederacy, such a nation or such nations shall
be deemed guilty of treason and called enemies of the
Confederacy and the Great Peace.The above was written by whom? 
     It shall then be the duty of the Lords of the Confederacy
who remain faithful to resolve to warn the offending people.
They shall be warned once and if a second warning is necessary
they shall be driven from the territory of the Confederacy by
the War Chiefs and his men.     

The term "Lords of the Confederacy" refers explicitly to a government that is still under British rule and/or influence. Who was the 'Confederacy' and what right did they have to enter such a limited agreement?

which is really more like secession, more explicitly as it pertains to non-Five Nation peoples:

At this time it was barely known that there was a Mississippi River and the Northwest Territories had not yet been established. These things were done with a handful of tribes in the east who did not have the authority to represent all the other thousands of tribes and millions of Natives throughout the rest of the country that the Confederacy and even the eastern tribes had no knowledge of. Therefore, these things pertain only to those tribes and the Confederacy (pre-United States, pre-Constitution).

When the Confederate Council of the Five Nations has for
its object the establishment of the Great Peace among the
people of an outside nation and that nation refuses to accept
the Great Peace, then by such refusal they bring a declaration
of war upon themselves from the Five Nations.  Then shall the
Five Nations seek to establish the Great Peace by a conquest
of the rebellious nation.

Throughout this entire document there is no mention of who exactly the Five Nations are. Also, this a document of war, not peace. What is said here is that you (them) will either comply or face war. We will keep this peace with an open threat of eliminating you and all of your people and take everything you have and because you sign this declaration, drafted by us, willingly (at the point of a gun to your head). You will comply or we will kill all of you, this will be our right.

This is an action of default. The Native Nations, up to this day, have never violated this 'Great Peace' or any treaty signed between their Nation, Tribe or People with the Confederacy or the United States. (Understanding that the Confederacy, as it is used in this context, refers to the United States before it was the United States, before it established its Constitution, Declaration of Independence or Bill of Rights.)

When they decide an outside nation should become part of their nation they shall make them an offer they can't refuse, because if they do refuse it twice they shall make war against them and if they win:

When peace shall have been established by the termination
of the war against a foreign nation, then the War Chief shall
cause all the weapons of war to be taken from the nation.

disarm them. But if they refuse to capitulate, if they refuse to submit to the obvious victor and instead wish to continue fighting what then:

Whenever a war against a foreign nation is pushed until
that nation is about exterminated because of its refusal to
accept the Great Peace and if that nation shall by its obstinacy
become exterminated, all their rights, property and territory
shall become the property of the Five Nations.

Who is the Five Nations?

Exterminate them, take all their possessions and land. (You've got to be kidding.) This is an open self-appointed right to murder people, rob them and protect such actions under the course of King's Law...laws that do not pertain to the people of a foreign nation unless ones intent is to declare war on that nation and conquer it for it's own greed and domination. In this country of the United States of America, under it's Constitution, such actions are illegal and an Act of War must be approved by at least 2/3rds of a full Congress. During the days of the Federation, and even previously, no such laws were in place to protect any nation from invasion.

But of course that must not happen often, so what about if peace had happened. Obviously they are now equals once accepting the Great peace:

Whenever a foreign nation is conquered and the survivors
are brought into the territory of the Five Nations' Confederacy
and placed under the Great Peace the two shall be known as the
Conqueror and the Conquered.  A symbolic relationship shall be
devised and be placed in some symbolic position.  The conquered
nation shall have no voice in the councils of the Confederacy
in the body of the Lords. 

Twist the perspective this way... All of this was drafted by the Native Tribes as a warning to the invader people who were attempting to establish their right and develop a new nation within someone elses without permission but the threat of war.

If you read very carefully the content of the Confederacy and the Five Nations you will find some very alarming demands, strong warnings of war, a warped right to commit genocide of a people, the right to take what is not theirs. This attitude continues to this day.

Even though I tried to stay with this article with small brief inserted comments it reaches far beyond what we could endeavor to bring about a conclusion for the points of 'legal' and 'rights'. One thing that should be understood is that these arguments/discussions are always from the perspective of non-Native people and their government. This is a battle that continues to this day between the United States and the 10,000 Tribes and Native Nations of this land.

As I stated at the beginning my involvement with those several agencies and our discussions o

I should have included that these things were dissolved when the colonies became the United States of America and created their Constitution. (Laws of the Land).

The above was written by whom? 

I provided you the link, but it is from The Great Law, or Great Peace, the Constitution if you will of the Iroquois Nation, or confederacy of five tribes. Hence why it refers to the Five Nations.

The term "Lords of the Confederacy" refers explicitly to a government that is still under British rule and/or influence. Who was the 'Confederacy' and what right did they have to enter such a limited agreement?

That would have been a really interesting trick since The Great Law of Peace predates the establishment of contact between the Iroquois confederacy and England by a few hundred years:

Historians once thought the Iroquois Confederacy started in the 16th century, but a more recent estimate dates the confederacy and its constitution to between 1090 and 1150 CE. These estimates were based on the records of the confederacy leadership and astronomical dating related to a total solar eclipse that coincided with the founding of the Confederacy. - Wikipedia

My apologies, but it seems you might not be familiar with some of the other translations and I only included a link to one of them specifically for the editorial comments it made. In this one you can see how Lords of the Confederacy is used rather than Statesmen. Lords of the Confederacy are some of the Native Americans. It does not refer to the British.

Throughout this entire document there is no mention of who exactly the Five Nations are.

Really, your unfamiliar with the first Five Nations of the Iroquois confederacy? Well the first five were the Oneida, Mohawk, Cayuga, Onondaga, and the Seneca. As was already indicated the term five nations makes it clear it was come up with prior to the Tuscarora being added.

this a document of war, not peace

You know at this point it is becoming exceedingly clear you really don't know anything about this document at all. You seem to think that the confederacy it speaks of is the formation of the Colonies under the Articles of Confederation. However, the document is speaking of the confederation of tribes, it can't be talking about the US or its predecessor government as they were not even in existence yet.

(concerning the extermination of people who refuse to join the Five Nations after war has been waged) You've got to be kidding. This is an open self-appointed right to murder people, rob them and protect such actions under the course of King's Law...laws that do not pertain to the people of a foreign nation unless ones intent is to declare war on that nation and conquer it for it's own greed and domination.

Sorry, I didn't write that. The English had no part in it either. As has been said, a few times now, it pre-dates contact with Europeans. The Native Americans came up with that right to murder all on their own.

All of this was drafted by the Native Tribes as a warning to the invader people who were attempting to...

Nope, it was written perhaps 300 years before Columbus ever showed up.

It seems your entire reply is based upon this erroneous notion that it was written after contact with Europeans, that it was a treaty between Native Peoples and the more recent immigrants who were encroaching on their land. That simply is not true.

So, did, at least some of, the native people of the Americas, before the arrival of Europeans:

• know war, yes.
• envision genocide as being legitimate, yes.
• recognize the right of conquest, yes.

You left out environmentally disastrous for indigenous North American mega-fauna.

And they came up with smoking that has killed hundreds of millions. (Hmmm, I see an opportunity for a class action law suite here...)

@badchess first... The Native American's Revenge.

@Jake ... excellent. I don't use Wikipedia, too much of their information has proven to be not trustworthy. As for your response to my response, beautifully done. It is nice to know that there are people who do their research thoroughly and on top of that know how to present it in an intelligent manner. I applaud you. You would make an excellent student in my classes and I would be honored to have you in them.

In order to bring the truth to the forefront of rational thinking sometimes it is necessary for one to be the 'devil's advocate'.

I always appreciate someone like yourself who takes their research as seriously as I do. I accept your polite slap to my head with respect and honor.

Jake, I fully understand and know the content, articles and histories of your post - this is one of the reasons I was able to present my response in the manner I did. There are others who would not have been able to follow the jest of our collaboration on this issue. In part, the process of what we just did is also the primary reason behind what is going on with the general public's understanding of what they are absorbing from the various forms of information, or should I say - one sided propaganda, the news media is using to cover the OWS.

In addition, and finally, with respects to the historical documents of the Native American's - one must realize that we (they) are far from uneducated heathen savages.

Great work, keep it coming. Have a great day my friend.
Peace

This was pretty interesting to read/observe, thank you all for the polite and informative exchange, both above and below.

Ok, I'll push it back to 50k years (approximately) if that makes ya happy. Damn mammoth killers.

But I don't have a personal written history, so I'd never have so much hubris as to claim it is "my personal history."

Now, wait, were my comments stupid, or entertaining? Both?

You seem to lean heavily on the pompous style of discourse.

On the other hand, I have not ruled out the possibility that you are doing a sly parody of wack-job Indigenous American discourse.

If so, I salute you, you almost had be believing you were serious.

Finally, most people like you believe that being born in this country makes you a Native American, however, there are many agencies within your very own government that do not agree.

There are also agencies within my very own government that think indigenous Americans are from India apparently.

Please read my closing comment. #13 - Peace

@Pamela, thank you.

I am a 100% supporter and activist for the OWS and have been since it's beginning. There were posts on other sites I attend and in my emails about two months before everything began letting me know what was on the horizon. These notices came primarily from the Native Nations I am associated with throughout the U.S. and Canada. None of us who come from these areas came into it (OWS) blind or unprepared. What strikes me with an uneasiness is the obvious fact that the media and those who are bashing the movement still don't understand what is going on or what is being said. Perhaps it is the machinery of the propaganda media doing whatever it can to protect itself within all of this in view of the fact that they are part of the corporate-politico.

About your next to last sentence in your reply above...I offer you my motto:

"To make a mistake and do nothing to correct it is to make another mistake".

Have a great day! Peace

Surfing through the media, including the newspapers and what appears on the internet, there is a drastic misrepresentation of events, notwithstanding what is reported and what is not. There are many countries that have been watching what has been going on here and not just our dreams, the American Dream, which is nearly gone and so is theirs.

Sure, there are a few that would like to see this nation fall, here and abroad, and the OWS is trying very hard to get the message out there - our own government and corporations have been selling us out. Literally. They are responsible for the attacks on this nation, they are responsible for their own ups and downs in the stock markets, they are responsible for unsecure borders, the drugs and the high crime in our communities. We didn't do any of this because we can't afford it. How many of you or your children have the money to do these kinds of things? Exactly.

I have stated on endless occasions what everyone is saying and what the OWS is all about but those in the opposition aren't listening. They want to hear something else.

They've been trying to control the internet for about the last 15 years. It's in the Homeland Security Act and the U.S. Patriot Act and within these two unlawful documents there are even the ways they will impose their will. They're on their way. The agenda they are operating by is being stepped up all around the world and especially here in the U.S. and Canada. They must fully subdue the American middle class before they can actually complete their goal. Within the last 24 hours the City of Detroit just laid off and/or fired at least 1000 more people.

Perhaps if those who are in denial of the message of the OWS and its movement would look at how our industries have been dismantled here and sent overseas along with the training and jobs, thus, the investment money also, they would also see how their job and family security and health are next. Then we remove collective bargaining, attack employee benefits, medicare, social security, etc. One area that few connect the dots with is how the insurance companies, the medical society and the pharmaceutical companies are all in bed together, very snug and tightly. The threat to our communities with illegal guns and drugs that threaten our internal security just gives way to induce a false sense of security as proposed by the HLSA/USPA/NSA/FEMA and enables them to activate internet breeches, a public health crisis, a terrorist threat or attack...and here comes the much anticipated Police State. The latter being tested across the country now. If we all know that our government has failed to do their sworn duty and live up to their responsibilities or face the People then there should be no argument as to what is our right to do. They do not have the legal authority to stop us because we are protected by the very Constitution they were elected and sworn to uphold.

The lawyers and judges who side with these are just as guilty as they are when they are even arguing and fighting amongst themselves as to their version of interpreting the law. One thing for sure, they will do as they want and to hell with any decision rendered because they know that they will accomplish their goal and then tie everything up in the courts after the fact...and they can do this for years. Under the current conditions the U.S. and the People do not have years to waste like this. So for all those who have chosen to oppose the OWS, for whatever reason, know for sure that all those people from every walk of life are not your enemies...they are the willing American citizens who are on the front lines on your behalf.

Another area of watchful concern is when the power grids fail...and when they are booted back up, one section at a time, there are 1000s to millions without power for an undetermined amount of time. I'm always taken back when these things happen considering how advanced we are with our energy program...or are we?

Like Bugs Bunny always says, "What's up Doc?"

@John Gaines...I don't think any apologies are necessary. As far as I'm concerned there is no harm done. I offered apologies to Pamela because this is her string/post.

One thing I know for sure is that when there are heated arguments about politics, religion or war there will always be words spoken in the heat of such arguments that are not intended to draw blood, but, perhaps to smack a few bruises. lol

John, I will give you this...when I have discussions with anyone the purpose for offering the type of information I do is to approach a different perspective on the issue than the one that is commonly know, believed or accepted by the general public or the masses. I do my best to play nice but because of the content, perhaps even the wording I use, I become a target. My reactions to most unwarranted attacks are two-fold, I either ignore them or try a diplomatic redirect. Not often successful. However, if my responses to the original posts, my comments, or my replies generate a productive conversation to help others indulge a different perspective then we will all learn and grow from it.

I would like you to try and understand that Native Americans have a completely opposite perspective of that which is presented to the non-Native people and population in the U.S. and Canada. More often than not we receive a more compassionate and understanding audience abroad than we do here and they also seem to have a better comprehension of our history as well. Those of us who are dedicated to bringing the truth and the injustice out of the dark, a much wanted forgotten past for many, our entire being, our lives are deeply focused to our cause. With these things in mind it should be no wonder why many of us embrace the OWS movement as something that has been needed in this country for at least the past 200 years...to bring those who are responsible for the current conditions to accountability. We too believe that this can still be a great nation - but there are things that must be done before this can happen.

If you are in England then accept my prayers for your people and the hardships they too are facing.

Peace

Gentlemanly said and ditto et vous Thank you.

Pamela, you are obviously a very good representative of the OWS movement. There is a lot of knowledge and strength in your words. Keep up the good work. I am with you and all the others every moment of every day.

Peace